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Graphite412,

I thank you so much for having scripture for me all the time!
Now here’s my answer to your question baised off of Acts. 10:44-47, and then parelleled with Romans 8:9.
May it have been a rhetorical question, more than likely, but I’d like to answer it to bring you more understanding to our Saviours Scripture. :D

First, the book of Romans was not written to the unsaved/nonbelievers. It was written to the Roman Church that was filled with only those who’ve been saved under the three that agree IN one here on earth: repent/blood, baptized/water, and received the Holy Ghost/Spirit. It helps to remember that any book past Acts is for the believer, not the nonbeliever. If it speaks of any saving after Acts, the author is helping us understand that it’s how you STAY saved, not how you BECOME saved.

Now in Acts 10:44-47,
my answer to your question is a solid “No.” Having the Holy Spirit is not the only thing that saves us. Why do I believe this? Because the Word says:

John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

How is a man born again? (Just as Nicodemus asked, and a we all would more than likely ask at first.)

John 3:4
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?

Here Jesus then breaks it down for him (and everyone else from that day on).

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

The gentiles were not saved (could not see the kindgom of God [heaven]) until they were baptized according to John 3:5. The latter part of John 3:5 was fulfilled (born of the Spirit – when they received the Holy Spirit, evedince speaking with other tongues). Then being baptized fulfills the first part in John 3:5 (born of water). Which is why their asked to be baptized. :)

Here is a couple verses, that parallel each other, that unmistakably say why being baptized in water IS needed to be saved.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

What good is baptism? Why does it save us? Because as mentioned in both scriptures, it is for the remissions (forgiveness) of our sins/washes away our sins. It does not lower the value of the blood of Jesus. The blood isn’t covering you until you’ve been baptized. And now that you’ve been baptized, you can put any sins commited – afterwards – under the blood of Jesus Christ that now covers you everytime you ask for forgiveness, as long as you turn from what you’re asking to be forgiven for. Other wise repentance simply becomes what some would call penance: asking for forgiveness and turning around to commit the sin again without remorse.

The bible states that if you are not baptized then your sins are still there.

It’s like my 2 year old daughter coloring on our home wall. She sincerly asks for forgiveness. It’s sweet, it’s nice, it can be adorable (makes my heart melt sometimes lol); but the marks are still there until you take that Magic Eraser (thank you Jesus for those! :lol: ) and wipe away the mark on the wall.

Does that bring much more understanding to you now Graphite412? :)

Josiah,
I’ve noticed you are very passionate about God’s Word. I like it. Might come off as a bit agressive, but so do I at times when I feel so strongly about a subject. I can’t help but say to you though, “Cool your jets.” I’ve already touched on the subject of the theif on the cross. The answer to that, I can almost guarantee Josiah, is that he did not have to be baptized because the work of Jesus was not finished yet. Because it was not finished, the Old Testament Messianic Law was still in affect. The Law of Jesus (repent, be baptized for the forgiveness of sins, and receive His Holy Spirit) didn’t start till later. I will find scripture for that if you want, mmkay?

There is a verse for you though, Josiah:

James 1:19
Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

I’ve noticed, in both forums, you seem to be really quick to speak without getting to know who I am.

This is pretty blatant. I already know where you will go so I’m already there. The thief on the cross. He did not receive baptism. This is not the rule but the exception. If you try to make a way of theological escape through an exception then you miss the heart of God entirely. And I’m forced to ask this question,”Had the thief lived would he not have received baptism?” Of course he would have.

On a positive note, Josiah, I agree with you when the scripture talks about “born of water” in John 3:5

@John: I don’t believe that the water Jesus mentions is speaking of ambiotic fluid. Nor does the early church which consisted of the Apostles and those who walked with Jesus. No one called themselves a christian who wasn’t baptized. And they would never teach..”Well you can do it if you want. It’s just a nice symbol to represent a choice that has been made.” Baptism has never been regarded as such to the early church or those who have carried the deposit of the faith until now. To enter the kingdom one must be born of water and spirit. Everyone is born in ambiotic fluid so it would have been superflous to mention it if that is what he meant. He would have only stated that one must be born of Spirit only. And that wasn’t the case. The scripture you mention in Romans must not be taken to be the only scripture pertaining to salvation.

No need to elaborate on that. Thank you Josiah :)

All in all, our conclution to the question:
Is baptism important or even needed?

The answer is:
YES, it is important, and YES you need to be baptized for the remissions (forgiveness) of your sins!

Hope this helps bring a new revelation to you all :D
Love you guys!