Re: Is there Three Persons In One?
Graphite412, frogb0tter, glm, DJ Genesis, djdunamis, MPH, DJ Ryan Goode, Josiah Fingaz and any others who decide to join the conversation: I have a great deal of understanding that my choice in helping all of you understand that God is made up of only one, constisting of many manifestations, all by myself has gotta be one of the least of the smart things anyone can do; but I urge you all to really look into our scripture that we all are quoting from. Pray before you read the word, and pray before you even write about your beliefs on God’s Word.
For 20 years I used to believe that God consisted of: Father, Son, Holy Ghost. I tried to live my life believing that, and I could never get close to God. I only got further and further away. Drugs became so huge in my life; I started doubting in a God. I’d tried to go back to the “Trinity Doctrine” but if failed everytime. One day I was shown doctrin of the one and only God, made up of nothing more than himself, not three; and my life has turned a full 180 degrees! I keep getting closer and closer to God, and have had revalations after revelations since I threw away the idea of this so called “trinity.” I’ve never been more on fire for God than I ever have been! Personally I will NEVER go back to the trinity for the reasons I’m about to show you in our discussion. I will do my best to break it all down into simple – easy to understand – terms, and I will not dump everything on you at once because majority of you, if not all, will be overwhelmed (kinda like trying to open up all programs of a PC all at once). If you can’t see that God is one – and not made of three – at the of our discussion, then I shall stop talking about it because it will not get anywhere if you won’t believe. I agree with Josiah Fingaz:
All in all, this is something that can only be spiritually discerned and recieved in faith that has been passed down through the ages since the beginning. I pray that you come to understand this truth because there is nothing more critical to eternal life and knowing our God
First I want to start of with some questions for all of you. And it would be nice if all of you could reply with a very simple answer for all 7 questions. I’ll be back sometime this week to see the answers, and we’ll go from there.
1) Who is our Saviour?
2) Who are we looking for at the second coming?
3) What is the role of the Father?
4) What is the role of the Son?
5) What is the role of the Holy Ghost (Spirit)
6) What form did Jesus take BEFORE he was born on earth?
7) Where does the bible mention the word “trinity”?
From here down I’m addressing specific people who brought their ideas to me. Unless I address you in these next lines you don’t have to read, unless you want to learn more about our God.
Next, graphite412, your getting into the right area when you say this:
I guess that I should have been more careful with my wording. I should have probably said three distinct personalities instead of personages.
I feel that you’re closer to understanding Truth then most I’ve talked to on this forum.
Think about this though: God manifests Himself in MANY different forms.
We all know the three main ones
But have you all forgotten about the others?
Cloud by day
Pillar of fire by night
Why doesn’t the “trinity” belive in those as being part of the “trinity god”?
And as for you DJ Genesis, think about your statement here:
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Who would God be talking to if he was alone? There was nobody else around yet….except the rest of trinity….That’s what I think
This so called “trinity” was not the only thing around when he made everything.
Job 38:4-7 of the NIV
4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?
God’s Word says right here that angels were around when he created everything we see on earth. As a matter of fact, the angels were praising him at that very moment according to the Word. So God wasn’t alone when He made it, and He wasn’t talking to the “trinity;” He was talking to the angels.
It further states, in other words, that he talks to himself at times(like we all have once or twice, some of us more then that ;-D haha).
Eph 1:11 KJV
…the counsel of his own will:
And Josiah fingaz,
How deep have you looked into you’re history?
The concept of Trinitarianism came about 300 years after Jesus’ passing when certain views considered heretical, such as Arianism, were coming to prominence. In 325, the Council of Nicaea adopted a term for the relationship between the Son and the Father that from then on was seen as the hallmark of orthodoxy; it declared that the Son is “of the same substance” (ὁμοούσιος) as the Father. This was further developed into the formula “three persons, one substance”. The answer to the question “What is God?” indicates the one-ness of the divine nature, while the answer to the question “Who is God?” indicates the three-ness of “Father, Son and Holy Spirit”. Saint Athanasius, who was a participant in the Council, stated that the bishops were forced to use this terminology, which is not found in Scripture, because the Biblical phrases that they would have preferred to use were claimed by the Arians to be capable of being interpreted in what the bishops considered to be a heretical sense. They therefore “commandeered the non-scriptural term homoousios (‘of the same essence’) to safeguard the essential relation of the Son to the Father that had been denied by Arius.” The Confession of the Council of Nicaea said little about the Holy Spirit. The doctrine of the divinity and personality of the Holy Spirit was developed by Athanasius (c 293–373) in the last decades of his life He defended and refined the Nicene formula. By the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of Basil of Caesarea, Gregory of Nyssa, and Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine had reached substantially its current form.
Would you like me to look deeper into the history of the trinity doctrin for you Josiah?
As for all of you in our discussion, I love you all! And I hope n’ pray that revelations will be brought to you through our discussion like it did for me the first time I discussed this topic.