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For example the term resurrection of the dead could be used instead of rapture, which is not in the Bible.

You are right, Graphite, the word “rapture” is not in the bible. But “resurrection of the dead” could not be used in place of “rapture” because “resurrection of the dead” refers to the dead, and there will be those alive still who will be takin’ away; unless there’s something you’re saying that I’m not understanding. If I’m not mistakin’ “resurrection of the dead” is mentioned about 13 times in the bible: Matt 22:31, Act 17:32, Act 23:6, Act 24:15, Act 24:21, 1Cr 15:12, 1Cr 15:13, 1Cr 15:21, 1Cr 15:42, Phl 3:11, Hbr 6:2, Rom 1:4, and 1Pe 1:3. And most of them refer to the spiritually dead.

And you yet again, you are right Graphite, my testamony has no power to it whatsoever right now.

Heb. 9:17
For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

I’m sorry if you felt like I was trying to somehow prove to anyone that what I believe is truth only through my personal testamony (which I suppose should be mentioned in the “Prayer, Praise, and Testimonies” section).

Now about your thoughts on the seven Spirits of God, Graphite.
Personally, I’ll be transparent with you on this one. I’m afraid of Revelation. There’s a lot in there that I don’t even wanna touch untill I’m close enough to the Holy Spirit. But I did look up your thoughts about the seven Spirits of God, and I will do my best to answer this with out adding or taking away from our Father’s Word. Ok? :) Mmmmkay. :D

The theory of these seven Spirits of God was founded by a man by the name of Harry A. Ironside who lived from Oct 14, 1876 to Jan 15, 1951. He was part of the Plymouth Brethren movement which traces back to Dublin, Ireland in 1827. The Plymouth Brethren broke away from the Church of England because they believed that the CoE abandoned or distorted a lot of the Christendom traditions, from my understanding.

He came to his theory of the seven Spirits of God through Isa. 11:2-3, just like you’ve paralled for me. If you notice though, and hopefully if you read carefully enough, you will notice that it only mentions six of those spirits. The first is God, or Jehovah. Both are eneterchangeable. The other six spirits are describing the first spirit mentioned.

Isa 11:2
And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

I’m more lead to believe (personally) that these seven spirits mentioned in Rev. could be more like the seven Archangels.
1 Michael
2 Gabriel
3 Raphael
4 Uriel
5 Raguel
6 Remiel
7 Saraqael

I’ll be honest with you Graphite, I’m not quite confident in that answer because, again, I don’t mess with the book Revelation. I will say, though, that I don’t wanna live by a man-made theory, which is what Harry A. Ironside has done (in my personal opinion).

I might be mistakin’ but when you tell me there is the Trinity, and then that there’s seven more spirits of God, then if I do my math right, you’re saying there’s ten now, not three. It’s like you are adding to the trinity doctrine. Ten in the trinity instead of three, due to the “Seven Fold?” May you help me understand?

Just outa curiosity, Graphite, when you say this:

Personally I think that the term Godhead works great for presenting the idea of God consisting in three personalities.

And I present to you this scripture:

Col 2:8-9
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

What does it mean to you?

How about them apples?

LOL, Granny Smith Apples would have to be my favorite by the by ;-) I can’t wait for Thanksgiving dinner! Eat me some GrannySmithApple Pie! Happy Thanksgiving to you Graphite412.

glm, I will answer your one question that you’ve presented to me:

Instead, to hijack Jesus’ technique with the Pharisees from Mark 11: I will ask you one question. Answer it and I will answer your seven questions.

How does John 14:28 make sense from a “Jesus only” perspective?

My answer:

1 Tim 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Because God was manifest in the flesh there were restrictions on Him in the natural world.
For example:

Mark 6:1
And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him.

and then jumping to Mark 6:5-6
And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

Jesus couldn’t perform miricles at His home town because of their unbelief.
Jesus was dual natured. He was man and He was God.
Plus I don’t see it as “Jesus only” but rather “Jesus everything.” :D

Now before you answer my seven questions, (if you ever will):

I will ask you one question. Answer it and I will answer your seven questions.

Explain to me this…
You brought up John 5:22

Okay, one more that I read as part of my Bible study (not related to the Trinity) over lunch:

John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Which then brings me to a question related to the scripture you wanted me to answer – John 14:28.
If our Father is greater than Jesus, why is all judgment

John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

and all power on heaven and earth given to Jesus?

Mat 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

I’m sure we all can agree that “all” means all. And if all means all then it seems to me that the other two in the trinity – Father, Holy Ghost – have no power whatsoever. Can you explain that for me please; using scripture?

Aaaaaand Josiah,
That’s great that you are an evangelical:

As an evangelical, I discovered while I was at Wheaton College

—The term “evangelical” comes from the Greek word euangelion, meaning “the good news” or the “gospel.”—

You sure do quote more man-made dotrine than Biblilcal Scripture. Why is that? You yourself claim to be an evangelical…

Acts 5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Don’t give me anything about Catholicsm. I’m Apistolic Pentecostal, part of the Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship.

Happy thanksgiving everyone!