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Re: Is there Three Persons In One?


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*shrug*

Mmkay, that’s fine with me. Really is no need to bicker over scripture. I’ll admit it, I’ve been getting somewhat agressive, but instead of anyone calling me on it and continuing the conversation, most leave instead. Non confrontational I suppose, eh?

Nonetheless glm, if you feel like this is a debate:

Now, that puts the tally of answered questions/Scriptures at:

* Me = 11
* You = 1

Then so be it. But so you don’t feel bad about me not answering your many questions before you answered my seven (which I admit, yet again, it didn’t seem that it was going to happen due to your own aggressiveness over my trying to clear up the confusion by asking very basic questions; perhaps I was jumping the gun in claming such things as well, forgive me), I shall answer you many questions in regards to these scriptures:
Luke 10:16
John 4:34
John 5:24
John 5:30
John 5:37
John 7:28
John 8:26
John 8:29
John 14:28
John 16:26-28
(and possibly many others that you, or anyone else, could ever find in the Word)

All of those can be answered in a rather simple manor.

God has a dual nature. One cannot nail a spirit to a cross. God required a sinless sacrifice… there for He manifested himself in the flesh and became the sacrifice that was needed for our salvation.
God, whose name was not revealed in the Old Testament (other then YHWY -as we all should know as being Hebrew for “Yahwah” or “LORD” or “I AM”), has revealed his name in the New Testament (Hebrew name- Yeshua, or Jesus -as we know it).
Jesus was 100% man, as Col 2:9 described. But also 100% God.

and just in case you need an example, I’ll use glm’s first scripture presented to me -Luke 10:16.

He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

He was appointing people to do his work. If you reject a follower of Christ preaching, you reject CHRIST. And if you reject Christ, you reject his plan of salvation, put forth by his followers. “He who recects me rejects Him who sent me.” The Him in this means God (the God in Spirit) the one who made the flesh He was dwelling in. Jesus was speaking from the flesh He was in.

Ultimately, the OT God, YHWY, became one of us (who then finally gave Himself a name, Yeshua) to demonstrate to us how to be the human He planned for us to be since the beginning, as well as being the needed spotless sacrifice for us (so we don’t have to slaughter any more animals).

For anyone else that reads this, and is curious why I personally believe that the trinity doctrine is not truth, then please read these following paralleled scriptures.

Deu. 6:4 and Luke 2:11

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

LORD GOD is one LORD – Christ LORD

Isa. 45:18 and Eph. 4:5

For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

I am LORD, there is none else – One LORD, one faith, etc.

Isa. 43:3 and 2Pet 1:11

For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

They Saviour – Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

Isa 43:11 and Phil. 3:20

I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

No other saviour – THE Saviour, Jesus Christ

Exo 3:13-14 and John 8:58

And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

God I AM – Jesus I AM

Isa 45:18 (again) and Eph 3:9

For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God the Creator – Jesus the Creator

Isa 44:24 and Col. 1:14-17

Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Yet again, God the Creator – Jesus the Creator

And what about these?
Hos 3:4, 2Cor 4:4, and Heb 1:3

For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Israel was without an image of God – Jesus is that image

Which more than likely brings up the question about “the right hand of God.” To put it extremely short, “the right hand of God” is represented as the power and safty of God throughout His Word. But “the right hand of God” is a totally new subject that dont’ have time to type out. I do, however, have a scripture that says that “the Father” is not the only one who sits IN the throne of God.

Acts 2:30
Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Here God’s Word says that Christ will sit ON his throne, not the right.

Also notice in this scripture:

Isa. 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

If the “Father” was one of the three in the trinity, why does Isa. 9:6 say that Jesus was going to be called “The everlasting Father”? Jesus couldn’t be called “The everlasting Father” if the “Father” was a different part of the trinity. Instead wouldn’t you think it would’ve said nothing about Him being the Father, since in the trinity, Jesus is only the Son…? Further more it says that Jesus is “The Mighty God.”

Some of you will believe what you have for so long, and perhaps, one of you -maybe more- will start to really wonder about the truth that is beneath the trinity doctrine.

I don’t see that God is Jesus,
I see that Jesus is God.
There’s a huge difference.

It seems to me that no one has the ears to truly hear on this sight, so I’ll leave-well-enough-alone. If anyone has any questions about it, feel free to email me at
parhelion22@gmail.com
We can talk about it through personal email.
I’m done here.

Acts 13:50-52
50But the Jews stirred up the devout and honourable women, and the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts.
51But they shook off the dust of their feet against them, and came unto Iconium.
52And the disciples were filled with joy, and with the Holy Ghost.

Love you all more then you think.