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    This evening I was meditating on my relationship with God and had come to a pretty overwhelming realization: I don’t know if i’ve ever had a day without sinning in some way, shape, form, or extent. I know we all fall short of the glory of God but this had hit me hard. I wouldn’t consider myself to be a wicked person but this certainly made me recontemplate who I am and where I am in my Christian walk. What do you all think? Have you ever managed to do it?

    #31838
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    I don’t count myself to have attained (I realize how I fall short) but there are times in prayer when I know that I have forgiveness from sin and am in the will of God and at a state of righteousness that only comes from Christ. I believe that one can come to a point where they walk completely in the Spirit and do not fulfill the lust of the flesh. This idea has been referred to Christian perfection by old revivalist like Charles Finney. Actually I believe most of the revivalist held this belief. There are many scriptures to support that we can be free of moral sin.

    John 5:14 After these things, Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, Behold, you have become well, sin no more that a worse thing not happen to you.

    Genesis 4:7 If you do well, is there not exaltation? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is toward you; but you should rule over it.

    Matthew 5:48 Therefore, you be perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.

    #31839
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    Well, it’s admirable to try to attain this goal… but I wouldn’t beat yourself up over it. I doubt anyone other than Christ has gone a day without sinning in some way or another.
    Really, even if you stayed in bed the whole day and slept most of the time you’d be sinning… that would be avoiding Christ’s call to ‘action’, right? We’re called to ‘go out’. Come to think of it, spending the day in bed would be akin to SLOTH! LOL
    ;)

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    Rodimus
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    @Digital Aura wrote:

    Well, it’s admirable to try to attain this goal… but I wouldn’t beat yourself up over it. I doubt anyone other than Christ has gone a day without sinning in some way or another.
    Really, even if you stayed in bed the whole day and slept most of the time you’d be sinning… that would be avoiding Christ’s call to ‘action’, right? We’re called to ‘go out’. Come to think of it, spending the day in bed would be akin to SLOTH! LOL
    ;)

    I agree Greg. While it may be “possible to live a day without sin” I don’t believe its possible to live continuously this way. If it was possible…what would we need Jesus for :o

    Good topic btw, lodger… :D

    #31841
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    interesting topic.
    If GOD has a way for us without sinning we are not any more in need of GOD because we are than like him.

    King David says in Psalms 19, (KJV)
    12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults .

    by writing this I see this verse is 13 in a german luther84 bible.

    also if many of your sins are gone, you are not even know what is one so thats why we believe in Jesus who has taken the punishment for all sins yesterday, today and forever. Praise GOD.

    T

    #31842
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    I believe that, if we truly understood how high the bar is, we’d more fully appreciate the level of our depravity (even at our best as Christians) and our complete need of, and reliance on, our Savior. I really think that, if God, say, set off a flashing light and siren every time that we didn’t meet HIS standard (instead of our human interpretation of His standard), we’d at best measure our successful stretches in minutes or hours, not days.

    Any time that I’ve started to feel that I was really getting a handle on my sin, God would either (1) peel away another layer and reveal the wrongness of behaviors that I hadn’t previously considered to be sinful or (2) remind me that pride is in fact a sin. ;)

    Not meant to be a downer. Just a reminder of how much God truly loves us, how much sin we each place on Jesus, and how grateful we should be.

    #31843
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    the bible says we are all fall short of the glory of god.
    I agree with that gim.

    #31844
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    (Great topic!)

    @glm wrote:

    I believe that, if we truly understood how high the bar is, we’d more fully appreciate the level of our depravity (even at our best as Christians) and our complete need of, and reliance on, our Savior. I really think that, if God, say, set off a flashing light and siren every time that we didn’t meet HIS standard (instead of our human interpretation of His standard), we’d at best measure our successful stretches in minutes or hours, not days.

    ^
    THIS. “Human interpretation of his standard” is absolutely right. Even if we THINK we went a day without sinning we’re probably way off base.

    David wrote in Psalm 51 “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.”

    Isaiah tells it how it is in 64:6 (the harsh truth):

    “But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”

    I find that verse very pertinent to this discussion.

    And we have to remember that even “The thought of foolishness [is] sin” (Proverbs 24:9). That’s something that I struggle with in a major way. I know I’ve never gone a day without a sinful thought.

    And after all of this, we have to keep in mind “The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked” (Jer 17:9). If we think we went a day without sinning, we’re probably deceived.

    And even then, if we truly did never intentionally sin that entire day, that’s only avoiding the sins we KNEW about. We have sins seen and unseen. Of course there’s no way of knowing in the moment how often we sin unseen- totally unawares. Sometimes we are blessed with clarity of hindsight and the LORD reveals them to us later.

    Any time that I’ve started to feel that I was really getting a handle on my sin, God would either (1) peel away another layer and reveal the wrongness of behaviors that I hadn’t previously considered to be sinful or (2) remind me that pride is in fact a sin. ;)

    Not meant to be a downer. Just a reminder of how much God truly loves us, how much sin we each place on Jesus, and how grateful we should be.

    Amen, amen, amen.

    I LOVE the idea of Christian perfection. It IS what we should all strive for, and we are in fact called to (just like Travis said in Mat 5:48), but I don’t believe we ever obtain that in this life, even for a single day.

    Praise GOD that he cleanses us perfectly in the end!

    #31845
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    but we have to remember that our power is from Christ and our grace comes from God. if our ability over sin comes from God, it is not of our power, but of the grace of God. If we are to live a day without sin, it will be because we are doing it to the power of God. If God set us free from sin, then we are free indeed. We should not try to conquer sin in our own power, but rely upon the grace of God. After all we are born again to be slaves of righteousness and have put off the old man that is a slave to sin.

    #31846
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    Oh, I agree that we have no chance of overcoming sin in our own strength. Any success that I have is due to the power of God in my life. And as a Christian, I’m not a slave to sin. A slave really has no choice but to obey; however, Christ in my life now gives me a choice. At the same time, while my spirit resides in this fleshly shell, I believe that full perfection is an unattainable goal, but one that we must still diligently seek out of obedience and love for God and to make us ever more aware of our dependence on Him (see Romans 7).

    I also believe that Jesus’ “go and sin no more” statements were commands, like the Ten Commandments are commands. When God said “Do not commit adultery”, He wasn’t saying “You’re an Israelite, one of my chosen people, you are able to longer commit adultery.” He was saying “Don’t do it.” So was Jesus. He told the woman caught in adultery the same thing, but in the gospel account, there’s not even any indication that, at that point, the woman believed that Jesus was anything but a good teacher. As such, she wouldn’t have tapped into the power of the Holy Spirit to free her from her slavery to sin. Any sin-no-more-ing would still have been in her own strength.

    #31847
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    Galatians 5:16 But I say, Walk in the Spirit, and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

    Rom 8:3 For the Law being powerless, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and concerning sin, condemned sin in the flesh,
    Rom 8:4 so that the righteous demand of the Law might be fulfilled in us, those not walking according to flesh, but according to Spirit.

    #31848
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    glm is nailing it imo

    great discussion

    #31849
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    Galatians 5:6 nailed it imo.

    #31850
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    I guess we just have a different take on Galatians 5:6. If we would walk perfectly and consistently in the Spirit, then yeah, we wouldn’t cave into the temptations of the flesh. I see it as a cause-and-effect type command. “If you walk in the Spirit, then you won’t fulfill the lusts of the flesh.” While the effect of walking in the Spirit is guaranteed, there’s no guarantee that a Christian will perfectly and consistently walk in the Spirit. We’re called to constantly strive for this, but again, I just don’t think that we achieve the goal in this life. Due to our limitations, not God’s.

    #31851
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    @graphite412 wrote:

    Galatians 5:6 nailed it imo.

    [There is] no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither [hath he] power in the day of death: and [there is] no discharge in [that] war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.
    Ecclesiastes 8:8

    I wouldn’t presume that any mortal man can walk in the Spirit 100% of the time. We have no power over it to retain it.

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