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  • #23547
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    Hey! :idea:

    I wanted to post this to ask 3 sensitive, yet important, subjects. :shock:

    #1 – Is it OK to play secular music on a DJ set as followers of Jesus?

    #2 – Why do we make our music, to reach a crowd and spread our name or exalt the name and person of Christ

    #3 – Is it possible to infiltrate the club scene without compromising your righteousness and how?

    Those are my questions, here are my personal answers. These were not always my answers, but I came to these conclusions through the laying down of my own agenda and simply asking our Father what His thoughts are. If you do not agree with me, it is ok, all I ask is that you seek the Lord with your whole heart regarding these questions.

    #1 – No, I believe it is not good to do this. Men who produce secular music are meditating in their hearts about something other than Christ, and usually about dark things. In doing this they impregnate their music with those meditations and thus present it to the hearer, influencing their soul with those meditations. So why would we want to further those dark thoughts that have close to nothing to do with Jesus by playing them in our own sets.

    #2 – I make my music out of a place of worship and adoration of Jesus. Though I am still working on the full sincerity of my faith, I still make it my aim to only worship Christ in my productions. My only goal concerning people is simply taking them to the same place of encounter I have been to in that place of worshiping Jesus. All other reasons, except maybe a love song to a wife, are meaningless.

    #3 – I think it is very possible, but it will take much prayer, fasting and devotion to God in the secret place. The music industry has chewed up and spit out many believers in other genres, leaving them far from their former lives in Christ. We should learn from their mistakes and take up arms to siege the music industry and exalt Christ to the heights.

    #38354
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    Jeci982
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    Those are great questions I have been wondering as I learn more about this site.
    I do not DJ but I used to be an assistant and stage hand for a well known promoter out here. When I got saved I questioned if God wanted me to continue the work I was doing. I was out of the illegal side of “raving” but I was still working with secular DJs all night. Finally God shut the door on the scene for me. Now, I attend EDM shows when I hoop. And I want to use my hooping more as a worship so I’ve also been hooping at Christian concerts this past summer. God has convicted me of the dangers with the secular world and my weaknesses. Praise God! If I find any fellow Christian DJ’s round here, that’d be sweet!
    Now that I am blown away at all the followers that listen to EDM- I wonder where the DJ’s ARE at with those questions. How do I know if the music is coming from the heart with God.. Or how is my soul getting fed while listening. It would def be interesting to see how everyone else views the Much More.

    Very interesting RemNant. I hope more people reply to your questions.
    God be with you all~~Jeci.

    #38355
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    Josiah Fingaz
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    #1. I believe that you can use music by a person who isn’t a Christian in a DJ set. What is the content of the lyrics or the emotion that you are desiring to convey? If it is something Jesus would say to His Church then I will use it. Think of how Paul used a poet written by a heathen to express “In him we live, move, and have our being”. That was a “secular” poem by your standard. Bottom line is, if you have a problem with it then don’t use it. If you do use a song by a non believer be very aware of what it is saying and conveying. When I play an event for someone I always go into this to find out where they are on this question. It is a good question.

    (question: If people impregnate something they make with their spiritual state then wouldn’t it follow that if you have used a product made by godless men then their spiritual state would impregnate that as well? This question was brought up in the early Church about priests who were found to be heretics or those found to be in gross sin. People wondered if the baptisms/conversions were tainted because of the priest’s spiritual state.)

    #2. I think the answer is in your question. We make it for Christ to reach others and when that happens it follows that people will find out about it.

    I don’t think every song has to be a worship song. When you read the scriptures there are many instances of everyday life being explained that aren’t written as a form of worship. We can do this in song as well. Now, as a Christian, it would be natural that our music reflects our perspective. So in a way it will be a testament to the wisdom of God. It depends on your audience as well.

    #3. If you are called into the Club Scene then God will provide the Grace for you to be effective in that field. I think it is possible. There are a few who do it with success. There are several different ways to make a difference. One of the best that I have seen is the record labels that build relationships with artists who aren’t Christain. They do business with them and have made inroads for the gospel to be seen in a very tangible way. I think the hardest is guys who do residencies in clubs. Of course, I’m not really called to that type of ministry so It may not be as hard for them because they have the Grace and passion for that work.

    Really good questions man!

    #38350
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    Dude, I thought no one would ever respond to these. Thanks for your answers guys! If it is ok I would like to continue the dialogue, as I am hearing new perspectives I did not think about.

    On Josiah’s Question “Think of how Paul used a poet written by a heathen to express “In him we live, move, and have our being”.”

    Were I agree that our Fore-Fathers and even Jesus Himself used quotes of the day to convey a point Such as “My yoke is easy and my burden is light” this is actually a quote from a prominent roman leader encouraging his men to follow him into battle. Now, I feel that may defer in some instances with music and minstry in general. One, this is one snippet used in context with an entire sermon to lead people into righteousness. These quotes are rarely used and if it ever is, it is deeply submerged in the context of teachings about righteousness and salvation. And two, are we not preachers ourselves as Djs? Do we not have a strong influence over our listeners? Should we not fill our “sermons” with things always leading to Christ.

    Bless you guys!
    Vooras :D

    #38349
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    Josiah Fingaz
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    @Josiah Fingaz wrote:

    If it is something Jesus would say to His Church then I will use it.

    No, that wasn’t my question. The scripture Paul used was straight out of pagan pop culture if you will. So there isn’t any question regarding that. My question for you is below. It came from this comment.

    @RemNant wrote:

    Men who produce secular music are meditating in their hearts about something other than Christ, and usually about dark things. In doing this they impregnate their music with those meditations and thus present it to the hearer, influencing their soul with those meditations.

    Here is my question.
    @Josiah Fingaz wrote:

    (question: If people impregnate something they make with their spiritual state then wouldn’t it follow that if you have used a product made by godless men then their spiritual state would impregnate that as well? This question was brought up in the early Church about priests who were found to be heretics or those found to be in gross sin. People wondered if the baptisms/conversions were tainted because of the priest’s spiritual state.)

    #38351
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    Very awesome answer Josiah.
    I do think, as DJs, you are preaching and influencing listeners. But being DJs- the art of mixing sound- it’s not usually words that are influencing the listeners. I think Spirit is hard to convey in this scene…. actually, I’m speaking with NO experience at a Christian event. I just know from listening online and what I’ve seen in the secular world.
    I am into feeling the music and talent in mixing, so I am enjoying trying to feel God’s presence in it. But it’s been hard to tell what the heart of the music is. I notice a lot of tracks I know from the past. Do you think it’s especially hard to convey God and preach in your music? Do you think you have a special assignment to portray God in the music?

    #38352
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    This is great :D . You guys really have me searching. SO I hope I have the question understood this time. Sorry for misunderstanding you.

    Josiah Fingaz wrote:
    (question: If people impregnate something they make with their spiritual state then wouldn’t it follow that if you have used a product made by godless men then their spiritual state would impregnate that as well? This question was brought up in the early Church about priests who were found to be heretics or those found to be in gross sin. People wondered if the baptisms/conversions were tainted because of the priest’s spiritual state.)

    On this specific comment then we should look to how Music and “products” or food, furniture, ect are portrayed in the word. Atleast I think I am understanding the question now.

    Ok so, about food we are given specific instances in the word of the blood of Christ to redeam these things.
    Act 10:13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”

    Act 10:14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”

    Act 10:15 And a voice [spoke] to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.”

    And as far as products go I feel that they would go under the same category of redemption.

    Now on music specifically.

    In the word, every were, music is used primarlily, if not all together, for worship and celebration; specifically toward Jesus. There is a deeper dynamic in music than that of food or anyother thing we could buy. Such as when Jesus is talking to the woman at the well. He lays out the importance of worship/music Jhn 4:23 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. Also, we need to look very closely at were music originated, it was in the very throneroom of heaven.

    Now this is important for two reasons. #1 The way music is done in the throne room is our picture of how to do it on earth and #2 Lucifer himself was an angel of song before his fall.

    So as believers, regardless of what we feel our calling is, we are commanded to love God with all of our being, every part, not just some of it or the parts we want to, but all of it. So why should music be any different?

    And on the second part, there is a deeper affect and danger to music created out of darkness. It is directly influenced by Lucifer himself. For if we are not of the light then we are of darkness. I do not say this to condemn anyone, I was once in darkness myself until God lifted me up, so may those man find Christ and glorify Him as well. But the fatc still remains, darkness begats darkness and light begats light, especially in something as emotionally charged and involved as music. Otherwise, why would we be so passionate about it in our discussion.

    So, my point is, music and art is very much different than anything else we could create in this earth. I do agree that it is possible to take and redeem these things, as Paul and Jesus did in the word, apart from God they are dark. This is why I even produce Electro House and Trance that worships Jesus, because Jesus said, Rom 14:11 For it is written: “[As] I live, says the LORD, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.” So in our own way we should bless the Lord in the way he created us to.

    Blessings! :P

    #38353

    all questions, in my spirit can be summed up with love. they will know we are Christians by our love. yes, we are seperated from the world, chosen by our Father in Heaven, Praise God that he chose us! what a gift, grace, it ought to put us on our knees daily, thanking God for his love. We are called to preach the Gospel to everyone. each one of us have been given certain gifts. we are the Church, 1 body, many parts. we must work together and hold each other accountable.

    I grew up in the rave scene and know of a lot of music that was produced by folks who flat out worship the enemy, a lot of music produced by folks who dont believe in God. some folks are halfway, lukewarm, some folks got burnt by the church… some are hardcore souled out Christians.

    there are a lot of tracks with subliminal messaging. you have to listen to the tracks quite a few times before you use them in a mix. if there is no subliminal message, but the track is produced by a non christian. Pray and wait to hear from God, if you feel in your spirit peace, mix the track. I pray someday God will raise up a complete army of hardcore Christians that produce all Genres, top of the line edm respected by Ravers. keep in mind there are a lot of spiritual songs where artists are seeking God in their music, but have not yet submitted fully to Christ.

    If the track has a heartbeat and allows folks to dance, allows them to forget about their daily problems and clear their minds, you have their attention. Usher in the beauty of samples and scratching, use uplifting vocals, samples and scratches to plant and water seeds.

    If Christians do not reach out to the underground rave scene, those folks may never hear the true Gospel. The Gospel of Love. Preach Jesus to them in a loving, non judgmental way and follow up with the folks who are hungry and help them to build a foundation in Christ.

    now dont get me wrong, by no means am i telling you to go kick it in the club for hours on end or put yourself in a situation that causes you to sin. always, always , pray and read the word, pray for God to give you a clear vision, speak with your Pastor and Elders in your fellowhsip as long as they are bible teaching, holy spirit preaching, they will have solid wisdom.

    its always been about truth, if people see Jesus in us, if we are obedient to God and allow him to work through us, to further his kingdom. what a gift, we have been forgiven, we have been chosen and we did not deserve it. our hearts should be broken and burn with a passion for those who live in the darkness. i believe edm is 1 way to reach people. just like holy hip hop, street ministry, basketball, anything positive. if it is being used with the purpose to plant and water seeds. it is of God. those are my thoughts. i do not want to lead anyone astray, thus i say, pray, pray , read the word and pray.

    Much love and Respect.

    #38356
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    I love your heart and fully agree with you on the importance of love , prayer and being in the word. Thanks for the encouragement! :D

    #38347
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    7sound.org
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    Great questions!
    IMO:
    #1) Playing secular music on a DJ set? DEPENDS. What message is there in the song? If it is only instrumental (no specific message) then I don’t see the problem in it. but Lyrics are very powerful and I do not think you should play or support anything that you are against.

    #2) Why do we make our music? I HOPE it is to praise and worship God, and to spread the message of the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Only you know why it is that you do what you do. (well, you AND God) I have wondered about this myself, and I prefer to see the music as a MINISTRY. Kind of like a media representation of the spiritual warfare we are all faced with. As Christians, we should take back electro music, and use it for the glory of God.

    #3)Is it possible to infiltrate the club scene? Possible, yea. but not probable. Remember, people of this world HATE Christians. Don’t kid yourself. I think you need to be careful about infiltrating the club scene, because you are outnumbered and they may end up infiltrating YOU. but if you are determined, I wouldn’t hold that against you. Keep control of yourself, and I’d say, use a SUBTLE message. If you are TOO in their face with it, they will not listen.

    Good luck to you, and God bless

    #38346
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    @7sound.org wrote:

    #3)Is it possible to infiltrate the club scene? Possible, yea. but not probable. Remember, people of this world HATE Christians. Don’t kid yourself. I think you need to be careful about infiltrating the club scene, because you are outnumbered and they may end up infiltrating YOU. but if you are determined, I wouldn’t hold that against you. Keep control of yourself, and I’d say, use a SUBTLE message. If you are TOO in their face with it, they will not listen.

    What has been your particular experience that would lead to this type of conclusion? I am curious because I am looking at ways in wich we can minister best to these groups of people.

    #38345
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    graphite412
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    you might find this sermon interesting about music and evangelism…

    http://media.sermonindex.net/19/SID19742.mp3

    The salvation army was probably one of the most spiritually alive group to use music to the glory of God. It is a very interesting listen. I also wrote a paper that I can post about the Salvation Army and their music.

    #38344
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    graphite412
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    101 Hymn Stories by Kenneth W. Osbeck is another cool read about music and Christianity. I hope to write some articles on worship music and thoughts on music of the Lord.

    #1 – Is it OK to play secular music on a DJ set as followers of Jesus?

    - I think the higher road is to play only worship music that is in Spirit and truth. A secular producer cannot by nature make music according to the Spirit or in Truth. But also because a producer might be a Christian and might compose “Christian” music, the composition may or may not be pleasing to God. If we are to play music for others to worship, it would only make sense to play music that is pleasing to the Lord. There are also a number of compositions that have Christian lyrics that have been composed by wordly composers, like the setting of the mass, which is full of Christian lyrics. These compositions will never please the Lord, seeing that the composer never loved the Lord, and without love they are nothing but a clanging brass and a sounding cymbal so to speak.

    #2 – Why do we make our music, to reach a crowd and spread our name or exalt the name and person of Christ

    I know that there are at least three reasons that we make music and I’ll list them in order of importance.

    1. To worship and exalt God- This is the primary reason to make music, to use it in our love for the Lord. I know that the music we compose, if it truly pleases God, will be part of our treasures stored up in heaven. We can’t take our instruments, but we can send our music ahead of us.

    LITV: Revelation of John Chapter 15

    [2] And I saw, as a glassy sea having been mixed with fire. And the ones overcoming the beast, and its image, and its mark, of the number of its name, were standing on the glassy sea, having harps of God. [3] And they sing the song of Moses the slave of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvelous are Your works, Lord God Almighty, righteous and true are Your ways, King of the saints. [4] Who will not fear You, Lord, and glorify Your name? For You only are holy. For all the nations will come and will worship before You, because Your righteousnesses were made known.

    There are two songs of Moses the one in Deuteronomy 32 and Exodus 15. It is my conviction that the song of Moses in Revelation, was probably a borrowing from the one in Exodus 15, which was written during Moses’s life. If a song is composed in Spirit and truth it would be impossible for it to pass away anyway.

    2. To admonish other believers-

    LITV: Colossians Chapter 3

    [16] Let the Word of Christ dwell in you richly, in all wisdom teaching and exhorting yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

    3. To do the work of an evangelist-

    LITV: Psalms Chapter 18

    [49] On account of this I will extol You, O Jehovah, among the nations. and I will sing praises to Your name,

    #3 – Is it possible to infiltrate the club scene without compromising your righteousness and how?

    I don’t see why any Christian would go into the club scene. I’ve heard tons of arguments for it but I’ve only really seen the negative effects it has on believers. You can’t eat at the table of demons and the Lord. How can you go to the house of the Lord and the house of Baal? If there is a Dj that would go to the club scene and truly preach Jesus, they would more than likely be thrown our or beat up or both. The message of the cross is offensive and will offend people if they go to the club to indulge in sin, period.

    #38348
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    Such good responses. Thank you so much for the links, I will definately read through them as the Lord furthers this journey. I would also Recommend a book called “The Rebirth of Music” by LaMar Boshman. It is older but really a good simple read, as it lays out the origin of music in heaven and it use here on earth.

    @graphite412 wrote:

    #3 – Is it possible to infiltrate the club scene without compromising your righteousness and how?

    I don’t see why any Christian would go into the club scene. I’ve heard tons of arguments for it but I’ve only really seen the negative effects it has on believers. You can’t eat at the table of demons and the Lord. How can you go to the house of the Lord and the house of Baal? If there is a Dj that would go to the club scene and truly preach Jesus, they would more than likely be thrown our or beat up or both. The message of the cross is offensive and will offend people if they go to the club to indulge in sin, period.

    I would agree that alot of people have been eaten up by the scene, but I would not say it is impossible. I would liek to direct your attention to two particular bands in the hardcore rock scene Sleeping Giant and For Today they have been witnessing in deed and through music to many unsaved kids in their scene. Their music is only toward the Lord and evangelism and yet they are excepted in a lot of secular venues. They do not compromise their stances or their music, lifting up the name of Christ in there shows, yet many salvations break forth in their shows and even the moves of the Holy Spirit. Also, there have been accounts of the Lord healing people as the men in the bands gather to pray with their fans. So I think it IS very possible to go into these arenas and witness to the lost without compromising our music and heart of worship.

    Thank you so much for your responses, this forum just keeps drawing me closer to Jesus.

    Blessings!!

    #38340
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    Remnant,
    It sounds like you really want to try infiltrating the club scene. If that is your calling, then great!
    You need to spend a lot of time in prayer, and fix every area of your life as best you can. Rely on the strength of the love of Christ. Your walk with Him must be strong!
    Spreading the gospel in a situation that few Christians have been successful is a very high calling.

    Understand that you WILL be attacked that much further.. in a spiritual sense. Also in a physical sense.

    I have worked in clubs before, service side.. not DJing.. Its a job to me (great money) ,but there is also a subtle side that some of the people I met over the years, I was able to witness to.

    I also would assume that playing obviously Christian music would get you nowhere. You wouldn’t even have a job. BUT maybe if you somehow played the most awesome music, and have a very subtle lyrical message inserted in there, you MIGHT be on to something.

    Be careful tho! and good luck! Msg sometime, God bless!

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