New first draft of tech trance track
May 19, 2010 at 8:46 pm #21900
1) Im going for some more different sound frequencies in this one, does any part jab your ears in an unpleasant way? Ive been listening to this track too long so ive lost my frame of reference (btw I did a quick master on this draft version) Also, does the timing on any of the synth parts go off at all?
2) Ive got brain drain!! ive left room for a breakdown, and this track could use a new synth lead or pads, and maybe a vocal part, or vocal samples, what can you imagine this track having? what do you here in your mind when u listen?May 19, 2010 at 8:51 pm #33129
I made this little guy in one day, its God having his influence on my music making process! just got done a great conference and got totally wrecked by the Holy SpiritMay 20, 2010 at 12:44 am #33130
Hey how are you, Listening the track now, its good man,
in my opinion, the kick needs a little boost in the lows, that will bring the bass to be stronger, but may be some sidechain will help on that, after the intro, when the close hat starts continoues, I think it looses a little grooving of the track, and the breakdown comes to late, before you get to the break, it my be a little monotonuos, i like the tech-trance feeling on the track. like the bass line, and a think a bigger clap will give it a good taste.May 20, 2010 at 7:05 am #33131
For starters what did you use to create this song? Are you using hardware or software. I have a lot of suggestions, but if you are using hardware they would take forever. My first suggestion is compare your track to other professional tech trance tracks to get an idea of eq and balance. Listen to a lot of tracks and then compare your track to the professional tracks. It will help you balance eqs and levels so that it would fit in a mix.May 21, 2010 at 3:56 am #33132
in my opinion, the kick needs a little boost in the lows, that will bring the bass to be stronger
the kick is a little bonky, maybe i can replace the sample (there is a huge rolling subby basline, not sure if ur speakers piking that up..i don’t want to overdue the bass!! maybe with a bit of sidechain I could have BOTH!! YAAAY!
After the intro, when the close hat starts continues, I think it looses a little grooving of the track, and the breakdown comes to late, before you get to the break, it my be a little monotonuos,
I just threw the structure together, the breakdown may start/stop a little late/early, gotta fix that.
Maybe I can switch the beat up a bit in the beginning.. I was planning on having some sick sounding 303 in the bit building up to the breakdown…
and a think a bigger clap will give it a good taste.
you latin peeps and your claps lol this is just a rough draft I haven’t even added any cymbals yet or done proper EQ mixing yet
My first suggestion is compare your track to other professional tech trance tracks to get an idea of eq and balance.
I will definitely be comparing this to some Randy Katana and maybe some Sander Van Doorn… but to tell you the truth trance mixing/eqing I here on Beatport tracks are starting to sound worse and worse esp with trance (depending on the producer), too much high end, maybe everyone’s collectively going deaf? I have a good enough handle eq and mastering ( http://fezzik.me/discography ) too be able to safely say I’m confident enough to make a track NOT sound like every other track out there, cause I don’t necessarily agree with there eq choices, and I get bored of things sounding so similar, why not have a kick that is dryer, or some new sounds most other tracks dont have? thnx for the suggestion, this is just a pricky issue with meMay 21, 2010 at 5:28 am #33133
what are you monitoring on? that could really make a difference on your opinions. You can also have more high end but not harsh. If you avoid a lot of 3.15kHz and 6.3kHz then you should be able to boost the high end and not make a harsh hi end. I guess if you don’t like it like that then I guess I can recommend to boost the highs But if you put your track in a mix, it would sound out of place and less profession because of the missing hi-end.May 21, 2010 at 5:38 am #33134
I think we can win you over to out side
you will enjoy…. rich…. full… joyous!!!! HI-END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!May 21, 2010 at 8:27 am #33135
I would definitely agree on the low end on the kick. Replacing it would be a good or eqing the daylights out of it. Also the bass doesn’t have much midrange “attack.” When the full mix come in the bass gets lost because you need the “string” and “attack” to make it punch through the mix. Also so high quality reverbs would help a lot. Then feed your tracks into a reverb bus so they share the same “space.” Liquidsonics makes a free vst convolution reverb plugin and you can find gigs of awesome impulses for free on the net. The lack of high quality reverb can be easily fixed for free. I would put the hi-hat, snare, etc through the reverb.May 22, 2010 at 3:03 am #33136
hey good suggestions guys..
good idea about the reverb on a send channel, saves CPU power too! sounds like a good way to make different parts (esp. hi-hats) “float” above the mix – done it before. I have 2 high quality reverb plugins I use.. the one built into ableton is quite good is u switch to “high” quality setting, I also just got Audiodamage’s EOS Reverb Plugin.. I’m using industry standard pair of studio monitors (yorkville YSM-1).. some mild sound treatment in the room, but not as good as prev studio, i compare mixes to professional trance cds on the boom box in the kitchen and in the car!
A FAVOUR, listen to my finished songs on http://fezzik.me/discography and tell me does it sound dull to ur ears.. i hope its not the room Im using..
Im have not mixed or mastered the track, so the eq is less of a concern right now, Hey, yell ya what, this calls for a new post, where I will share my production/song-writing processMay 22, 2010 at 6:33 am #33137
I read about the yorkville’s YSM1s in sound on sound’s 1999 article
they stated that they were a little on the bright side. This could be the reason for your high end personal tastes. Do you have a microphone that is reasonably flat? You can do a sine wave sweep of your room to find out what the frequency response of your room is. just play a sine wave sweep from 20Hz-20kHz and record it. Then put it into a voxengo’s span (a free vst/au) to get the frequency response graph.May 22, 2010 at 6:45 am #33138
This is that reverb that I was talking about http://www.liquidsonics.com/software_reverberate_le.htm
It is easy on the cpu. I can run it on my netbook with no problem. I think it takes up 5% or maybe 10% max, on my acer aspire one.
the sound on the video sounds bad for some reason, probably user error, but the plugin is really, really awesome.May 22, 2010 at 7:42 am #33139
I gave your other songs a listen, and the hi-end seems fine. The kicks seem muddy though, and that is listening on my headphones as well as my monitor speakers. Are you using samples that you created or professional sample packs? Could it by your room? I have a problem with my room with the kick because there is a huge dip right in the most critical frequency for a kick between 50-60Hz. After looking at many track that are professionally created, it seems like right around 53Hz is the bottom of the kick where most of the energy is located.
check th frequency response of my room. It is extremely bad.May 22, 2010 at 9:43 pm #33140
Hey I like the way u think…
I actually kinda agree with the fact that the kicks were missing some of the HITTING sound and presence, some of those older remixes (depeche Mode, Sarah McLaughlin) done at old location (maybe I had TOO MUCH sound-proofing there..) also before i learned how to really use a compressor and eq on a kick. Do my recent ScienceDrop and Matisyahu remixes have muddy kicks on ur opinion?
I read about eq testing in a room a while back and sounded comp[licated, i guess its not that hard.. i should do at least once. good to check up on my monitoring environment, I could be overcompensating for monitors that like hi-end, good to make sure im not missing any AIR, BRILLIANCE or PRESENCE just cause i want to turn the garbage hi-hat noise down a bit. maybe i could do the layer of Kleenex over the tweeters trick they do on that one Yamaha model?
Another good free Oscilloscope/freq monitoring plugin is FREAKASCOPE http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/freakoscope/May 23, 2010 at 5:39 am #33141
Span is a whole lot more awesome than freakascope. Also if you come to Detroit I can show you how
to do a frequency sweep and show you how to make a graph. It is easy and the programs are free.
I can also show you how to get impulses to make your own reverbs. the processes are almost the same.May 23, 2010 at 6:07 am #33142
I think that those kicks are better but they kind of
get lost in the mix. Needs more mids “beater” sound
to make it pop out.
One of my favorite kicks can be heard in John Askew’s
song, “Chime.” The kick is awesome. Look at it in
a waveform view in a track, it has a good look to it.
It has the punchy click at the beginning and then drops
in volume to swell to the low end. The swell is also roughly
in time, so it swells with the music.
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