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Probably buying a DAW soon… please advise!


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  • #22501
    Avatar of frogb0tter
    frogb0tter
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    I’m in the market for a DAW, on the verge of shelling out BIG bucks for the first time in my life (after years of sailing the digital seven seas with a jolly roger hoisted, if you catch my drift -_-). I want to make Trance, but also all types of Electronic music. If it bumps, bangs, bops, bleeps or bloops, I will be trying to play it seriously at least once.

    At this point I’m investigating the big three:

    Apple Logic Pro 9?

    Propellerhead NEW Reason 5? (drops in six days)

    Ableton Live 8?

    If anyone has their input on which program they’d suggest, much appreciated.

    I’m leaning toward Logic because it just seems like it’s a good Trance standard from what I’ve seen. Many people suggest better arrangement/composition than offered in Ableton. I’m also really glad it’s not $900 anymore, but at $500 it’s still the most expensive of the three.

    Reason I do like quite a bit from playing with 4, and I like how it emulates a “real” rack and hardware. Gets me at least somewhat used to it in case I do get into real hardware in the future. I like the keep-it-simple concept- why create a “new” digital interface when you can just emulate existing hardware? Quite clever, really. Also the $350 price tag is nice! Plus the fact that it’s a brand new version with newwww stuff is full of win.

    Ableton seems reallllly cool for the possibility of live triggering, possibly even (gasp!) performing in the future, plus all the cool hardware compatability. But as a fledgeling musician who hasn’t even made *A* real song yet, that’s not a huge consideration at this point. Someone mentioned that all the ways you can flip/edit/change loops on the fly can often open up new creative ideas “on accident,” which sounds like quite a boon for any musician. That said, I’m leaning toward Ableton least right now, and at $450 it’s right behind Logic Pro in price.

    Thoughts? Experiences with these? Price isn’t the biggest consideration, but it is a plus if I can save money. Ultimately I want to feel like I made the “best” choice with no buyers remorse afterward, just like anyone would. I want to avoid feeling like “Awww I should have bought ________!”

    I am ready to spend a lot of time looking at tuts and reviews, and play with demos to make the right choice. So if anyone has a good tutorial, testimony, etc. get at me! Or if you have other recommendations too.

    #35166
    Avatar of djellipse
    djellipse
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    short and sweet… personally i used to use reason, then i got ableton, tossed reason in the garbage and never looked back. Ableton is far superior to reason in alot of ways imo

    #35167
    Avatar of frogb0tter
    frogb0tter
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    SUPER good to know. I will definitely keep that in consideration. Thanks man!

    #35168
    Avatar of djdunamis
    djdunamis
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    Try the demos. :geek: watch some tutorials on how they are used. then we can discuss. All three programs are different onto themselves. Logic is more a basic multi-track program like Cubase and Pro Tools. Ableton has a multi-track view called Arrangement but also has a view called Session. Where you can develop loop clips of audio or midi to arrange into a song in Arrangement or use them in Live performance.

    But reason I say try the demos is to see what workflow suits you best. Personally I’ve done well using Pro Tools and Ableton, but been leaning back to Ableton for its ease of use for editing down loop samples and such. Pro Tools is like Logic where you arrange midi lanes and can block them into loops. Then the audio is edited and made into loopable blocks for arrangement later with the midi.

    Reason, I’ve never liked the sequencer in the program, I know how to use it but find other programs easier to arrange in. Reason is good for rewiring into a host program but even other people don’t like rewiring.

    #35169
    Avatar of graphite412
    graphite412
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    you might check out the daw thread that I did

    http://www.godsdjs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=92&t=2042&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=cubase

    If you want cheap and an all around deal reason is great. it does nice sound for 300. You might check sweetwater.com for prices. They are the biggest recording retailer in the US. I would not want Reason because it does not do VST or AU to my knowledge, which is probably one reason, I would not want it. Did you notice the play on words in the last sentence? Anyway, the best sounds come from external plugins, so I would go Logic or Ableton. If I was to choose, I would pick Ableton because of the opportunities to work with it in a Live situation. I think Live would be better for making more abstract music like glitch hop and ambient music or IDM. I think that the sound mangling opportunities far surpasses logic. Logic does come with other cool applications though. Maybe both is the solution, but pick one to start out with. Live also can be bundled with Max, which opens doors of creativity.

    #35170
    Avatar of graphite412
    graphite412
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    like just check this out.

    [youtube:1g3k2hu7]nydOFGR3ZIA[/youtube:1g3k2hu7]

    #35171
    Avatar of frogb0tter
    frogb0tter
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    ^

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    #35172
    Avatar of frogb0tter
    frogb0tter
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    Reason is rapidly leaving consideration and Live is fast gaining on Logic. I’ll try the Live demo for mac and go from there. I do have the Logic shell with no sounds, so I do effectively have a kind-of Logic demo so I can side-by-side here a bit.

    #35173
    Avatar of frogb0tter
    frogb0tter
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    @frogb0tter wrote:

    I do have the Logic shell with no sounds, so I do effectively have a kind-of Logic demo so I can side-by-side here a bit.

    In retrospect, that probably made no sense to anyone not-named frogb0tter. I have the Logic shell but not the Logic sounds/plugins- I only have the garage band sounds to play with. So nothing too terribly exciting but I can still fiddle with Logic and see what the options and stuff are.

    I’m re-reading the DAW thread again and looking at more vids today. Wheee

    #35174
    Avatar of djdunamis
    djdunamis
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    yeah, I want one of those APC40′s. They’re nice.

    #35175
    Avatar of djsoulchas3r
    djsoulchas3r
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    My 2 cents:

    Reason is amazing. I love it. I love the endless abilities to combine and route sound with the patching concept/functionality. I feel like you can do anything with it… except of course work with audio tracks or vsts…

    So thats the problem. I have been using Record+Reason now and I really like it. One thing I did not like in Reason was the mixer. Record adds major depth in this area. It creates an “audio” device for each “track” now. You can also record audio and import straight wav files no more Recycle required.

    The big drawback of course is no VST’s. I have to imagine that someday Record will break down and support this, but still no in V1.5

    I think Ableton is pretty awesome. I have the LE version that came with my Midi controller. The thing is Ableton on its own isn’t going to get you very far. You still need to go get all the synth’s some free some buy, etc. So its like if you really want to be able to use any VST synths you ned to go with an Ableton, but if you want instant Super Powers on Day one then I’d go Reason.

    There are zillions of refills that people have create with amazing synth presets that you can get for free or pay for.

    Oh and PS Reason 5 looks ridiculous, too bad I’m too broke to have upgraded yet.

    I think what you really have to think about is what yur goal is.

    If you plan to use a lot of samples, loops, etc then I’d go Ableton for sure.

    If you want to be able to really tweak out and create your own unique sounds then Reason.

    Anyway sorry for the long ramble.

    #35176
    Avatar of graphite412
    graphite412
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    I’m actually really starting to dig Reaper. After a horrible Cubase bug, I jumped ship. Reaper is a solid DAW and it is cheap!

    #35177
    Avatar of frogb0tter
    frogb0tter
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    Cool, cool. Thanks for the insight soulchas4h!

    #35178
    Avatar of djdunamis
    djdunamis
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    @djsoulchas3r wrote:

    Reason is amazing. I love it. I love the endless abilities to combine and route sound with the patching concept/functionality. I feel like you can do anything with it… except of course work with audio tracks or vsts…

    So thats the problem. I have been using Record+Reason now and I really like it. One thing I did not like in Reason was the mixer. Record adds major depth in this area. It creates an “audio” device for each “track” now. You can also record audio and import straight wav files no more Recycle required.

    The big drawback of course is no VST’s. I have to imagine that someday Record will break down and support this, but still no in V1.5

    I think Ableton is pretty awesome. I have the LE version that came with my Midi controller. The thing is Ableton on its own isn’t going to get you very far. You still need to go get all the synth’s some free some buy, etc. So its like if you really want to be able to use any VST synths you ned to go with an Ableton, but if you want instant Super Powers on Day one then I’d go Reason.

    There are zillions of refills that people have create with amazing synth presets that you can get for free or pay for.

    Oh and PS Reason 5 looks ridiculous, too bad I’m too broke to have upgraded yet.

    I think what you really have to think about is what yur goal is.

    If you plan to use a lot of samples, loops, etc then I’d go Ableton for sure.

    If you want to be able to really tweak out and create your own unique sounds then Reason.

    Anyway sorry for the long ramble.

    You can use loops and samples just as well in Ableton, just different ways of doing things.

    You can create unique sounds in Ableton. right out of the box you have a way of making drum tracks and using a simple sampler. Then you have free VSTs and then after that commercial.

    Really after releasing Record, their only drawback, like you said, is 3rd party plug-in support. I don’t really see it happening, since they never have. I would actually like to see them make some of their modules in Reason, plug-ins so no need of buying the whole program if not needed.

    But if you like Ableton and some of the things in Reason, then Rewire is an option. Some say it doesn’t work well, but so far I hadn’t had any problems with the Rewire protocol.

    #35179
    Avatar of LeviWhalen
    LeviWhalen
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    I have used ableton for many years, since it was in version 4. I love it and will never ever switch. Definitely take advantage of the 30 day trial, you get all functions and everything. Live’s built in instruments are somewhat powerful, but they take some time to get the right sound. the presets are not so inspiring. but thats why you download vsts and buy one or two big synths.

    I know people say one progam is good for this, one is good for that, but I haven’t found a better program than live for many diverse applications. I have used Live for my own EDM productions as well as tracking and recording bands, and running sound for an open-mic night. I haven’t even tapped the potential for LIVE performance in a stage or sanctuary setting.

    I hope this helps!
    Levi

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